So, after a hiatus of not dealing with the bumgenius, I finally manned up and scrubbed the specially purchased, non-biodigradable Dawn into our diapers like some kind of demented Cinderella with a little brush. ALL of them. It took a while, and I have blisters and scrapes on my hand, and also wrecked my manicure. Stephanie then rinsed the diapers by hand a few times in the bathtub, because they were saturated with detergent, and then for about 8 cycles in the washing machine to finish rinsing. Then we bleached them, which additionally helps to strip any remaining detergent residue... this in spite of the fact that we'd been using a recommended detergent all along. A hot wash without any detergent and lots more rinsing to make sure the bleach totally got out.
This was everything that the very nice people at the Diaper Lab had to suggest in terms of stripping. (Vastly more helpful than Jillian's Drawers, where we purchased these: they pretty much suggested the next step had be to buy a special detergent from them to try to strip additionally, with expensive shipping.)
In addition to the above steps to try to remove any and all residue that might explain the pee deflection out of the diaper rather than absorbing into the insert, the nice lady at Diaper Lab had a lot of other helpful things to say about why the diapers might not be working for us. Their verdict was that if we've tried ultra-double-stripping the diapers and they still leak, Jolyon may just pee too forcefully for pocket diapers. We have consistently had issues with the inserts not being saturated, but the diapers leaking when Jolyon pees, in spite of not being even remotely 'full': an issue with the velocity of the peeing, rather than the volume.
Additionally, she pointed out that the fit of an one-size diaper will never be quite as good as the fit of a sized diaper (that you have to buy many versions of, thus eliminating the cost-effectiveness), and this might be contributing to the problems. However, it's not that likely given that we appear to be getting the diapers on snugly and securely, and other pocket diapers we have tried are also leaking in the same way.
So, the consensus of our phone conversation was that if the diapers continue not to work even after stripping, then it's not a problem with residue buildup, but a mismatch between the style of diapers and our son's directional, forceful high-volume peeing, as well as possibly his shape. These things can't be fixed by us, and suggest that we are not likely to have luck with cloth diapering our son, at least not with pocket diapers. Note also, all the other types were ones we tried in our sampler, and also not working well enough to be satisfactory for us, I think because Jolyon is a heavy wetter as well as a high velocity one.
So, post-troubleshooting, we gave the diapers one more try. We had a few successful pee-soaked-but-not-leaking diapers, and we did a disposable overnight, since that had been the biggest danger zone. However, today, we had another leaking diaper that was not at all saturated with pee, that leaked spectacularly out the upper left-hand back, i.e. just about as far as it's possible to be away from his peeing apparatus and still be a place on the diaper. Again, minutes after I'd changed him, so no possibility that this was drool or milk or spilled water.
Stephanie said, "OK, that's it!" and looked very cross.
When I asked her if she had anything to contribute to this blog post she said, "I am so done."
And, she's right. We gave it a shot, and tried all of the different kinds of cloth diapers, as well as different styles of the kind that worked best, and really, we are not getting the sort of performance that we had envisioned from them. I asked Stephanie if she wanted to try getting more of the the Blueberry super-expensive diaper (that has had better performance than the Bumgenius, Happy Heiny and Fuzzibuns, possibly due to small sample statistics) and she glowered, and said, "No."
So, yeah, we are officially no longer a cloth diapering family. We will console ourselves with the fact that we are going to be conserving a lot more water, both in washing diapers, and in washing clothing and bedding and anything our son happens to lay down on... and possibly reducing our carbon footprint. Also, in the non-inconsequential fact that even the cheapest generic disposables really do contain our son's peeing magnificently well.
This may represent the final crown jewel in our tiara of crunchy/hippy/attachment parenting failure... but seriously, we have to do what works for us and our baby, and this was NOT working for anyone.
Stress levels had way reduced when we switched to disposables full-time while I was procrastinating scrubbing the diapers: seriously, it is so great to just put Jolyon down on the rug or our bed without having to worry about making sure there's a towel or two under him.
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I'm sorry the cloth didn't work out for you. We've had no trouble - we just throw the nappies in with our normal wash, never had to do anything to them, we wash in cold and line dry - it just goes to show how different body shapes etc influence results.
ReplyDeleteWe're sorry, too. We are surrounded locally by parents who ALL cloth-diaper, since we're in a hippie stronghold. 95% of them use this particular type of diaper, and they all say "Oh, they're great, they NEVER leak, and what do you mean by stripping, we've never had to do that!" and it makes us really sad as well as environmentally guilty to be using disposables.
ReplyDeleteI do think it's a pee velocity and directionality thing - which might have been better if Jolyon was a girl. But we have friends with boy-children who looove this particular diapering system, too.
looks like Jolyon is just a high velocity baby all around!
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PS: I know what you mean -- breastfeeding is pushed really strongly here, and whenever I have E in public and pull out the EBM I always feel self-conscious.
We use and love G-diapers here. Best of both worlds- cloth outside, disposable insert...much less trash and biodegradable.
ReplyDeleteSorry the cloth system didn't work out for you, but damn you sure gave it a real try! I guess the good news about living in the cloth diapering area where you do is that you'll have no probplem selling your unwanted diapers, right?
ReplyDeleteAnd as Strawberry said, we use G diapers, but I can certainly understand the appeal and convience of using disposables. A comfy leak free baby is what really matters!
Summer, our breast milk storage bottles actually have little quotes about breastmilk being best and a great start in life on them. I often just screw the nipples directly on those and use them as bottles, and I've always thought it was a pity that the sayings were just impressions in clear plastic and are therefore hard for others to read. Really, they should say something like "BOOB MILK" in large bright orange font so people don't have to give you dirty looks about formula-feeding your child in public. We've even gotten questions about why I don't try induced lactation (answer: because I don't want to mess up my cycles).
ReplyDeleteThe G-diapers look interesting, but not a good choice for us as we will not be on a sewer system in our new home, and if there's anything I know about keeping your septic system happy it is refraining from flushing anything besides human waste and a bit of toilet paper. No matter how much the other items claim to be "flushable" or "biodigradable", those designations were put together with cities and sewer systems in mind. And screwing up our septic would be even more environmentally unfriendly! Also each flushable liner costs twice what we pay for a disposable, even when bought by the case, so it's not something we can justify on our current budget, alas.
we had a crazy time with cloth and ended u with fuzzi bunz size smalls to start with. It was hard and we use some of the Earth's Best disposables in between. We use to use Natures babycare and loved those too.
ReplyDeleteG diapers wouldnt work with mayas round body. hah
Good lord I can't believe how hard you guys tried. No one can say you didn't give it your all. And I can't even imagine having to worry about putting him down on two towels each time? I am exhausted just thinking about it. Just relax and enjoy your baby, you did all that you could. Beyond an A for effort!
ReplyDeleteYou two absolutely don't need to feel guilty. It sounds like you've done far more than just about any other new parent to make cloth diapers work for your champion urinator. Maybe baby #2 will be more amenable to them? --Lisa
ReplyDeleteI understand about the cost, but just wanted to add that our septic system in our home probably couldn't handle flushing either (our house was built in 1938), so we toss the inserts into our diaper pail in biodegradable trash bags. Anyway, you tried and if disposables are the better choice, you gotta go with them.
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